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Old 07-26-2010, 04:40 AM   #11
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I didn't mean to offend Brother; please forgive me. I'm walking in the light that I have and doing my best to be sure that light is from the Lord; that's why I included some of the scripture I stand on in my post. Consider that a man who never reveals his ignorance is unlikely to recieve instruction; and I believe that instruction for a Christian must be rooted in the Spirit-revealed Word of God.

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Old 07-26-2010, 06:56 AM   #12
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No one here is saying that one persons prayer can cause another person to be born again.

From post #4 this is exactly what my simple mind read into it. If my simple mind sees this, then others would also read it that way. We do pray for anothers salvation, with the understanding that my prayer is not going to have them saved without their individual personal commitment.

-----Many receive not because they ask not. (James 4:2b) No explanation needed.

I am a simple man, I need explanations. I don't need someone deriding me that I am so dumb as to not know what another speaks about. If another person has an explantion for a passage, I do not know the message which is in their minds if they do not present the message or the understanding they have.

-----And as my final play, the ace up my sleeve - let's see if Paul had any insight...

Philippians 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,


Again, my simple mind has no idea of the message you are telling me. This ace up your sleeve is supposed to be the final battering ram that drives home, what?

From so many angles it is so clearly evident that praying for the salvation of people is such a worthwhile thing.

I finally see a light coming through. An explanation even my simple mind can grasp. As long as I dont believe my prayer shall have God save a person without a personal commitment on that persons part, I hear, and understand.
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Old 07-26-2010, 08:52 AM   #13
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I'm glad that no one has taken up an offense. We all have the same Lord, and thus the same goal. We all love God and love people. We all have a passion to see His kingdom come, His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. And, we all are doers of the Word and not hearers only, in order to co-labor with Him to bring that to pass.


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Old 07-26-2010, 02:39 PM   #14
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The question was "is it biblical to pray in regards to someones salvation, and what would you consider and do in the warring (mindset and application of prayer)"

Then the first level is to make everyone clear that your prayer does not make their spirit and the Holy Spirit unite within them, forgiving their sins.

We so often spend so much time on these 'disclaimers.'

So then after determining what exactly we mean, we can get to the actual point of the question, which is "In addition to talking to someone, is introducing prayer into the equation a worthwhile and biblical cause? and what things do we consider when 'warring' " So since we war with a sword, the WORD (we dont war with our shield) what verses apply?

And so scriptures about preaching the gospel, and leading someone to the Lord are not in question, those scriptures will only cause to add to the first level, of what makes a Christian born again, and what is witnessing. So we can then look to scriptures about prayer, and about God's will, and about places in the Bible (I like choosing from the New Testament) where cases like this were made.

This is why I chose those references. If something is not clearly shown in scripture, we can look at how Jesus and His disciples reacted, and if we don't have a problem with it, we can learn from it, and choose to do the same.

And here are explanations for the simple. (Not my words)

"Many receive not because they ask not." That is a quote form God's word. If I were to use Brad's word, I would say that the reason that many dont get something, is because they never ask for it. Yet another way to say it is that without asking for things, you might never get them. In this case, I am referring to the fact that our prayers affect situations, scenarios, angels and their missions and comissions, devils, God's heart and actions, etc. And if God's heart is for salvation, then our prayers to affect the scenarios around ones life toward hearing and experiencing salvation is NOT an uphill battle.
For a more deeper revelation of that verse in regards to this topic: "Many receive not their friends and family into salvation because they ask not for their friends and families to receive salvation."

Philippians 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
The ace up my sleeve, was a LITERAL place in scripture where Paul said that part of his salvation was due to other peoples prayers in conjunction with the workings of Jesus. Here we have an exact, clear and precise example of the guy who God chose to write most of the New Covenant specifically saying that at least some portion of God's salvation was somewhat due to the prayers of others. (And again, to spend more time with disclaimers, as noted in the previous post, personal born again status is not the salvation that Paul was talking about here, but rather a different aspect of God's saving ways - and He has many areas of salvation to body soul and spirit) Any idea that says that you should not pray for the salvation of anyone goes directly against what Paul was saying there.
Here we have a direct example in the life of Paul, in his own words, about EXACTLY what we are talking about. It is clear and literal and easy to understand. I love when God does that.

And all we needed to do was define the hindering ideas, define the actual question, and then look up scripture that addresses the actual question, not get off on a trail that leads us away from the answer.

The answer: pray for people to get saved.
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Old 07-26-2010, 02:47 PM   #15
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'Iron sharpens iron' - I'd rather have someone who is passionate about their belief disagree with me passionately, than to have someone agree with me who has no opionion; I take no offense, and sincerely hope I have given none. If so, again I ask for forgiveness.

Seeingboyblake, you obviously asked a very good question. When you decide how you will answer that question for yourself, I hope you'll use only the Word of God, taken in context, and in harmony with all scripture (as the Holy Spirit reveals it to you) to make that decision - this was my intended point, and is my final comment on this subject.

God loves all of you, and I believe that you all love Him too; so do I; thank you for your grace in allowing me to participate.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:54 PM   #16
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Here's another place where Paul does what we are talking about...

Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
(Romans 10:1-3)

Verses 2-3 are just what our thoughts are for those who haven't hooked up with God yet. They are not aware of God's righteousness, and are living their lives without consideration of His blessings and promises, and saving ways.

Again, Paul prays for others to be saved.
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Old 07-29-2010, 02:17 AM   #17
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no one ever witnessed to me, no one dared to apparently, they did pray for me though , I was told afterwards I was prayed for.
I was spoken to straight out of John Gospel by the words of Jesus, the Holy Spirit had been working on me for some time, I read the words of Jesus, repented and made Him LORD, I was born again.I was prayed for by christians who still prayed for the lost,fervently and enthusiastically especially for wicked sinners.
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